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ShardikSon
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 Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: MSNBC poll on the phrase, "In God we Trust" |
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Here is link to a poll on MSNBC.
Asking whether the phrase should be removed from our money.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10103521
Thoughts?
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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I'm fine with leaving the phrase "In God We Trust" on our currency. But in which God do we trust? Ah, there's the rub.
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Key of Twilight
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People just need something to get worked up over... It is not even referencing Christianity... If it said "In Jesus we Trust" I could see their point, but the name "God" is very open ended and open to whatever interpretation the reader gives it.
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ShardikSon
Fierce Wolf
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Mattathias wrote: | | I'm fine with leaving the phrase "In God We Trust" on our currency. But in which God do we trust? Ah, there's the rub. |
There is more than one?
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Mattathias
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| ShardikSon wrote: | | There is more than one? |
There is only one person who is truly God (John 17:3) but there are many false gods.
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Pete
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| "In God we trust", all others pay cash. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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It's a blatant violation of the separation between church and state. It should totally go.
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rufus
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Joined: 22 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe they should make a "Zero dollar bill" with a picture of "Sam Harris" on it which say's "THIS NOTE LACKS LEGAL TENDER". |
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P1234567890
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| rufus wrote: | | Maybe they should make a "Zero dollar bill" with a picture of "Sam Harris" on it which say's "THIS NOTE LACKS LEGAL TENDER". |
Do you have any specific arguments against his viewpoints, or are you happy to just insult him?
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Ryck
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| rufus wrote: | | Maybe they should make a "Zero dollar bill" with a picture of "Sam Harris" on it which say's "THIS NOTE LACKS LEGAL TENDER". |
I'd like to mention that I just sprayed my monitor with coke after reading this. Now I have to clean up the mess you made me do! 
Clever! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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P1234567890
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Do you guys even know the first thing about Sam Harris or his writings? Have you read even one of his books?
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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rufus
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Joined: 22 Sep 2007
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Location: about 20 miles west of Lake Michigan
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Do you guys even know the first thing about Sam Harris or his writings? Have you read even one of his books? |
"Letter to a Christian Nation" and "End of Faith". They suck!! Harris is "pop atheism". His followers seem to be mostly young people who are rebelling against the religion their parents raised them in.
| Ryck wrote: | | rufus wrote: | | Maybe they should make a "Zero dollar bill" with a picture of "Sam Harris" on it which say's "THIS NOTE LACKS LEGAL TENDER". |
I'd like to mention that I just sprayed my monitor with coke after reading this. Now I have to clean up the mess you made me do!
Clever! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Glad you liked the post Ryck. Sorry about your monitor. |
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P1234567890
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| rufus wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | | Do you guys even know the first thing about Sam Harris or his writings? Have you read even one of his books? |
"Letter to a Christian Nation" and "End of Faith". They suck!! |
Interesting answer. Have you read either one?
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Harris is "pop atheism". His followers seem to be mostly young people who are rebelling against the religion their parents raised them in. |
It isn't pop atheism at all. (In fact, is there even such a thing?) Harris is a modern intellectual atheist. He's had several debates with highly-regarded religious leaders, and he is by no means out of place when talking at universities or at conferences with the likes of Dawkins, Dennett, Weinberg, etc.
As far as I can tell, you're just calling names. Slander such as your 'zero dollar bill' comment above, and your 'pop atheism' jibe just now are completely devoid of any intellectual content. If you want to address any points which he may have made, then go ahead. But if you want to lower the level of discourse here by calling names, the only person who that reflects badly on is you. Not very Christian.
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-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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rufus
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Joined: 22 Sep 2007
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | As far as I can tell, you're just calling names. Slander such as your 'zero dollar bill' comment above.... |
Well, Ryck seemed to like it, although his monitor didn't do so well.
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and your 'pop atheism' jibe just now are completely devoid of any intellectual content. |
Like using the term "pop culture" or "latest fad".
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If you want to address any points which he may have made, then go ahead. |
I'll go to the Sam Harris thread you started if I wish to get involved.
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But if you want to lower the level of discourse here by calling names, the only person who that reflects badly on is you. Not very Christian. |
I believe I'm following the forum rules. I didn't attack any forum member. I said Sam Harris' two books "suck". Sort of like when YOU said Richard Milton's book was "garbage" on another thread. Did you even read it?
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Now, back on topic. I would have said "Richard Dawkins" should be on the "Zero dollar bill" but I thought it inappropriate to put a citizen of the British Empire on U.S. currency. So Sam Harris wins the honor.
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P1234567890
Emperor of the Universe
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Well, Ryck seemed to like it, although his monitor didn't do so well. |
Just because the peanut gallery snickered at your jibe doesn't mean that it was a very Christian thing to say.
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Like using the term "pop culture" or "latest fad". |
Except that atheism is not a popular movement by any stretch of the imagination. I wish it were.
And once again (because you seem to be dodging the question): Have you read either of Sam Harris' books?
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If you want to address any points which he may have made, then go ahead. |
I'll go to the Sam Harris thread you started if I wish to get involved. |
Funny, from where I'm standing it already seems very much like you not only want to get involved, but you're ALREADY involved.
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-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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