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golfjack
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:36 am    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

Some of you missed the whole point. I said this is a spiritual battle between good and evil. I said vote the Bible way. I didn't say anything here that I wouldn't preach in my own Church. I will never compromise the Word of God. Having said this, It is a choice, and God cannot and will not change ones free will. This choice is not rocket science. If some think that Abortion is good, then so be it. I am on the side of God. Christian fellowship is sharing thoughts with others. And, I appreciate all who want to share, and participate in this topic. Rembering to be forgiving and not to bring down others. We should all cast down imiginations about others. Some of us just have different personalities and backgrounds.



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your dramatic use of the "good vs evil" goes far beyond the realm of rational thought. You are trying hard to make a complex issue into a simple one and it simply wont work. It requires you to grow up into a more mature person before attempting to think such complex thoughts.
Obviously it is beyond your capacity to understand such things.

Maybe you should just stay out of this election since it is clear you have so little understanding.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:48 am    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

And maybe you should act like a Christian. I guess you are attempting to bully me, and that is not going to happen. Like I said, I will never compromise the Word of God.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You writing about bullying is so hypocritical. Calling Obama evil is not bullying? Since it is far from as simple as you make it out to be, I guess that puts you in league with Satan himself. How's that for twisted logic?

Come on give it up this is just a joke isn't it? Or is it being mean spirited? just plain ignorant? all of the above?

Please get your hand off of that ballot and back away slowly from the voting booth. You are now in violation of the laws of common sense and this should disqualify you from the act of voting.

After you've grown up and can prove you are an adult then you may return to the voting booth, but until then...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:50 am    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

To me liberal Christians are disgusting. Do you even know what the Word of God says about some of the issues before us today?



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess that make the feeling mutual. It just goes to show that your feelings are a reflection of who you are and if you feel disgusted it is really you who create that feeling not the Holy Spirit at all. It is a sign of lack of forgiveness in your own life more than it is some real aspect of those you feel disgusted with. You are the one who needs to grow up spiritually.

Personally I find people are just people and I try to accept them for who they are not evaluate them for their faults. Frankly I have enough problems of my own to deal with instead of trying to figure out others problems.

It is the fundamentalists who tend to put people in boxes and categorize everyone. They even put God into one of those boxes pretending to really understand someone who is inherently non-understandable. The more you claim to understand God the less likely it is that you do.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

It really is a shame that you don't understand God Degree. Give me a break.



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Golfjack, I see we are in agreement here on this issue. It is clearly good vs evil, but remember John 19:10Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?

11Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

And
Romans 13:
3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Siam"]
How can you rally around an abortion bill when every day your president (I'm sure your next one will be just as stupid) gives orders to invade, destroy and murder. (That’s murder in the absolute-no debate about if they can feel pain or not) as your beautiful country is driven further into debt, your schooling, hospital and welfare system gets worse and worse.

It’s all cool for you lot (Christians)... God’s gunna wipe out all the scum and create a new heaven… (That’s real love your neighbor stuff there; you’re cursed in your own belief as soon as you desire this!)

The Christian rights inability to see that Abortion is actually a necessary evil in this world because governments have made it an impossibility for the unwanted to be looked after and loved, as is the birth right of all individuals.

Does any woman truly want to abort there baby if there govenment gave them the right support?

The governments and the religions of this world have ruled wo/mans heads and hearts (the most deceitful of all our emotions) to control, dumb down and generally distort our reality so that everything that we believe has an oppo-same that can be used to FIGHT and UNDERMINE our true reality…

That we are all GOD/CHRIST potential.

The fight for justice, truth (and the American way) starts with individuals who refuse to:
1-Judge-for that is the Lords job.
2-Critisize-for what you see wrong in an individual is what you can not recognize within ones self.
3-Hate-for if you hate, you are not on the side of peace or of God.

Its funny how religions espouse an absolute belief in a truth they say is God’s, (which it isn’t) but think “What a loser.” About others who understand that we- all of us -have God potential, but only if we follow the path of Christ.

Matt23-23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

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Jeezs...
I got in trouble for doing this post originally and then no one had the decency to reply to it. #Uncertain

Or am I to non-religious to warrant even listening too.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonMarie wrote:

Romans 13:
3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.


Romans 13 is often used as a proof text to support obediance to the government. However, I don't think that the "Higher Powers" (huperecho exousia) of Romans 13:1 means "the state".

What I've seen over the years is that many Christians quote Romans 13 to support the laws, policies, and governent leaders they feel good about, and then quote Acts 5:29 when there are laws, policies, and governent leaders they don't feel good about.

I would keep Romans 13 out of any contemporary discussion about politics. I would also encourage serious bible readers to do some word studies in Romans 13. I used to think the "Higher Powers" (huperecho exousia) of Romans 13:1 meant "the state", but looking into it further I am no longer of that opinion.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rufus:
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I would keep Romans 13 out of any contemporary discussion about politics. I would also encourage serious bible readers to do some word studies in Romans 13. I used to think the "Higher Powers" (huperecho exousia) of Romans 13:1 meant "the state", but looking into it further I am no longer of that opinion.


Rufus, higher powers means those in positions of authority, agree? Not limited only to the state or gov't..
The bible states all authority is given by God, agree?

That being said, scripture makes it clear that when we, as Christians, are asked to violate scripture, we are not to obey, but to respond as God would have us respond and thereby Gods power is made manifest.

see Daniel 6:26 I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.
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14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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