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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satan does not have control over anyone who does not invite him in, either willingly or inadvertently, into their lives.

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JonMarie, you don't need to invite the devil read the admonition for all of us in Rev 12:12 and if you happen to be the "offspring" on verse 17 the devil is waging war on you. That's why Paul warned us to be vigilant always for we are at war with the devil 2 Cor 10:3, Eph 6:12.


2 Cor 10:3 ?

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Yes, but this battle is waged without, not within.

Yes, Satan will try to destroy believers, but he was already defeated by the Sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome remnant! Nice to meet you!
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14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes remnant, "WECOME" Glad to have you aboard! Very Happy

You should go by & post in the introduction forum. So others will meet you. Very Happy Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby,
Hi! Thanks for having me aboard but I think I did go to the Intro Forum before I posted my first reply few moths back.

JonMarie,
Thanks for your welcome. But I'm sorry I need you to elaborate more on waging the war without not within.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The following sounds like a probationary time to me.....

Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness......."


Maybe I am misunderstanding your use of the term probation here, for Israel was Gods elect or chosen even during these 70 of weeks and did not have a "probationary time". The 70 weeks is God giving a time line of WHEN HE IS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT IS PROPHESIED.
And yet, their probationary time as a Nation ended with the words of Jesus Christ......

Mt. 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
21:34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
21:35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
21:36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
21:39 And they caught him, and cast [him] out of the vineyard, and slew [him].
21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out [his] vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
21:46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonMarie wrote:
Satan does not have control over anyone who does not invite him in, either willingly or inadvertently, into their lives.

We ( as in every person) starts out as satan's allies.
Every person who commits sin belongs to satan.
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.


It is Jesus Christ whom we have to invite into our lives.

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks for your welcome. But I'm sorry I need you to elaborate more on waging the war without not within.


1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Satan battled Job from without and even to the point of Jobs physical body, but could go no further. In other words an evil spirit could not enter into Job.
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14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver Surfer wrote:
james wrote:
SS wrote,

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The following sounds like a probationary time to me.....

Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness......."


Maybe I am misunderstanding your use of the term probation here, for Israel was Gods elect or chosen even during these 70 of weeks and did not have a "probationary time". The 70 weeks is God giving a time line of WHEN HE IS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT IS PROPHESIED.
And yet, their probationary time as a Nation ended with the words of Jesus Christ......

Mt. 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
21:34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
21:35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
21:36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
21:39 And they caught him, and cast [him] out of the vineyard, and slew [him].
21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out [his] vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
21:46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.



In light of Romans 10 and 11 the interpretation you give this passage is incorrect. Israel, scriptually is Gods chosen.

SS,
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We ( as in every person) starts out as satan's allies.

If this is so then all children who die before the age of accountability are lost????

2 Samuel 12:23 - .....I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me. - David speaking of the dead child, who was only 7 days old.
This child was Satans ally according to what you stated above - "We ( as in every person) starts out as satan's allies."
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james wrote:
In light of Romans 10 and 11 the interpretation you give this passage is incorrect. Israel, scriptually is Gods chosen.
The Bible shows a 'spiritual' Israel....and, a physical Israel.

The physical has been rejected by God (Matthew 21:33-45), while the 'spiritual' one is favored by God (Galations 6:15,16).
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SS,

Have you even read Romans 11??? Paul speaks of Physical Israel here by tracing his blood-line. You are way off on this, one just needs reads the chapter.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james wrote:
SS,

Have you even read Romans 11??? Paul speaks of Physical Israel here by tracing his blood-line. You are way off on this, one just needs reads the chapter.
Compare Romans chapter 11 with this...and tell me what you think ........

Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.


Do they contradict each other ?

OR ....is there an answer, to where both of these are in harmony with each other ?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This scripture speaks in reference to a period of time for in Romans 11:1,5,25,26 ( just to point out a few) God has said ...."Hast God cast away his people? God forbid!!!"....."Even at this PRESENT TIMEalso there is a remnant according to the election of grace" verses 1-5 make it obvious this is Israel He is speaking about............"blindness in part is happened to Israel UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.........And so ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED".....

The Matt scripture also does not say that the Kingdom of God shall be taken from you FOREVER. From the scriptures in Romans we know the Kingdom of God is again turned to Israel in and Rev 7:1-8, which we know is physical Israel for in verse 9 all other nations are listed or the Gentiles.

Remember God blinded Israel so us Gentiles may be brought in and once our time is done God will then reveal Himself to the House of Israel. Zech chapters 11-13.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TWO Israels

Israel of the 'flesh'-------- Romans 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

Israel of the 'Spirit'-------Galations 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

QUESTION: How does any person come under the New Covenant and be God chosen people (Israel) ?

ANSWER: Romans 2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

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Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Galations 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.
3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Faith is the KEY !

Not.....nationality, or lineage.

Matthew 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
3:4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.
3:5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
3:6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
3:10 And now also the ax is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

The Pharisees and Sadducees were part of Israel according to the flesh....BUT, they did not have the faith like Abraham had.

National lineage, by itself, was not enough, and without a faith and spiritual connection with God, those men were doomed.

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Jesus taught the same truth.....

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;
8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God.
8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.
8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil...."

QUESTION: Who was Jesus speaking to, the religious leaders, or the common people ?
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Romans 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

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John 4:6 Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with [his] journey, sat thus on the well: [and] it was about the sixth hour.
4:7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
4:8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me,
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SS,

You continually side step Romans 11 which clearly states Israel (physical) is Gods elect and shall be saved.

You have refused to address this Rom 11 passage in all your post which clearly refutes your interpretation of this quote that I addressed.

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The physical has been rejected by God (Matthew 21:33-45),
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james wrote:
SS,

You continually side step Romans 11 which clearly states Israel (physical) is Gods elect and shall be saved.
Then...you refuse to accept Jesus Christ's words......
Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.


Quote:

You have refused to address this Rom 11 passage in all your post which clearly refutes your interpretation of this quote that I addressed.
I know God will accept 'indivdidual' Jews....IF ....they accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah, their personal Savior.

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SS: The physical has been rejected by God (Matthew 21:33-45),
Individual people Yes, BUT not the whole nation of Israel.


That is the only answer that makes sesne of both Scripture texts, of Romans and Matthew.
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