2 Peter: fact or phony?

fallen4shell · Ferret Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 120 Location: Arkansas

grrrr....I understand if they don't want me to post links for the first 7 days....but did they have to delete my whole post????

Ok, I'll reiterate my post, this time without the link....it wasn't that important anyway:

I have come to the conclusion, mostly due to my study in the book of Jude, that the second epistle of Peter is a PHONY. After reaching this conclusion, I did some research and was surprised to find that I am not, by far, the only one who believes this. Just read the wikipedia article about 2 Peter and you will see what I mean (originally I posted a link right to the page, but I suppose since I am not allowed you will have to type it in yourself Rolling Eyes

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Has anyone else done any research about this or have anything legitimate to say about it, either in support OR disagreement?

MoJo · Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:05 am Post subject:

fallen4, we don't delete posts (unless they are obvious spam) How yours got deleted is a mystery.

Smile

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fallen4shell · Ferret Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 120 Location: Arkansas

me neither. I hit post and it gave me a message about not being able to post links and then I could never find my message again.

Oh well, I'm over it. Smile

rst · Puppy Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Posts: 220

doctrellor · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:02 am Post subject:

1 Simon Peter, a aservant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness eof God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the aknowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious apromises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge atemperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting bkingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.
13 Yea, I think it ameet, as long as I am in this btabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
14 Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath ashewed me.
15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

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2Pet 1 sounds pretty "orthodox" ...

In fact I saw a website, asking the question if 2 Pet or if Jude came first ... which if 2 Pet came first, the 2 Pet is a legitamately Apostolic Era work
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fallen4shell · Ferret Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 120 Location: Arkansas

doctrellor · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:19 am Post subject:

Agreed too .. they got it right ...

I found this interesting comentary on 2 Pet
http://www.soniclight.com/constable/notes/pdf/2peter.pdf

Here is a nice article on the differences between 1 Pet and 2 Pet .. a good read
http://www.abu.nb.ca/courses/NTIntro/2Pet.htm

Interesting line from the Wkipedia article on 2 Pet
"The dating of this epistle has proved very difficult. Commentaries and reference books have placed 2 Peter in almost every decade from 60 to 160AD"

Which means that Peter could of written it at the end of his life (65 - 67 AD during the persecution by Nero in Rome - if he actually was there according to tradition)

or even with a writing of 160 AD, that still puts it in early church days
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Epistle_of_Peter

And here is an article by Kruger, who os one of several scholars who give 2 Pet and early date (which basically says that Peter is the author of this epistle.)
http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/2peter_kruger.pdf
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