Rapture

bibleprophecy_ndbpsa · Tadpole Joined: 06 Jan 2004 Posts: 23

Based on the Scriptures below, I believe that the church of God (1 Cor.10:32 below - the saints of the most High, Dan.7:25 below), will face the tribulation under the beasts of Revelation chapter 13.

The "tribulation" will occur between the Sixth SEAL (Re.6:12-17) and the Seventh TRUMPET (1 Thess.4:16-17)..

The Seventh Trumpet (which many refer to as "the Rapture") will occur at the conclusion of the “tribulation”.

1 Cor.10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

Matt.24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Dan. 7:21 I beheld, and the same (little) horn (king) MADE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, and prevailed against them (Dan.7:25 below);

Dan.7:25 And he (the little horn/king - Dan.7:8, Dan.7:24) shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High (Re.15:3), and think to change times and laws (Re.13:15, Dan.11:31): and they (the saints) shall be given into his hand until A TIME and TIMES and THE DIVIDING OF TIME (3 ½ years/1260 days) .

Dan.8:24 And his (the king's - Dan.8:23, little horn's - Dan.8:9, Dan.7:24) power shall be mighty, but not by his own power (but Satan’s - Re.13:11-12): and he shall destroy wonderfully (Re.13:15), and shall prosper, and practice, and SHALL DESTROY THE MIGHTY AND THE HOLY PEOPLE (Dan.12:7 below, Col.1:22, Eph.1:4).

Re.12:17 And the DRAGON (Re.12:9, Re.20:2) was wroth with the woman (the church of God - 1 Cor.10:32, Col.1:22, Col.1:24), and WENT TO MAKE WAR WITH THE REMNANT (the rest) OF HER SEED, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Re.13:7 And it was given unto him (the beast of Re. 13:1) TO MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, AND TO OVERCOME THEM: and (Satanic) power was given him (Re.13:2) over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and nations (Dan.7:23, Re.17:15).

Re.13:15 And he (another beast coming up out of the earth - Re.13:11) had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as WOULD NOT WORSHIP the IMAGE of the beast SHOULD BE KILLED .

Re.16:6 For they (those who had the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image) have shed the blood of SAINTS and PROPHETS, and thou hast given them blood to drink (Re.16:4); for they are worthy. (of this punishment)

Re.17:6 And I saw the woman (that great city Babylon - Re.17:5) drunken with the blood of the SAINTS (Dan.7:21, Re.13:7, Re.13:15, Re.11:7), and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus (Re.18:24): and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Dan.12:6-7 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the END of these wonders?

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for A TIME, TIMES, AND AN HALF (3 ½ years or 1260 days); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people (Dan.8:24, Re.11:3, Re.11:7), all these things shall be FINISHED (Re.10:7).

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golfjack · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:32 am Post subject: reply

I believe I know where your confusion is about the rapture. All believers will not have to face the wrath of God, but the Jews, and unbelievers will go through the tribulation. The remnant (unbelieving Jews) and unbelievers will have one more chance to accept Christ during the first three and a half years, and will be martyred for not taking the mark of the beast. These people are called tribulation saints. If one does take the mark of the beast, they are doomed forever. In Matt. 24, Jesus is talking to the jews. After we are raptured, their eyes will be opened by the witness of the 144,000 mentioned in Rev., which are from the 12 tribes of Israel. You see, their eyes were blinded because Jesus had to be crucified, and God will make it right because the Jews are His people (elect). Jersulem is the city of God, and will never be destroyed again.

May God bless, golfjack

Zathrus · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:07 am Post subject: Re: reply

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Purely hypothetical, if the rapture were to happen tomorrow, which would be an undeniable proof of God's existence, who would deny His existence? #Shocked

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golfjack · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:29 am Post subject: reply

WHY THE JEWS? But God chose the Jews; they have a special place in God's plan. look at the way the Jews have been used. with a few exceptions, the majority of the authors who were chosen to write the Bible were Jewish. They not only wrote God's Word, they preserverd iit. During the lifetime of many of us, the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls is a vivid example of how Jewish scribes copied and cherished those parchments. The date of Isiah's scroll is 200 B. C., and it proved to be almost identical to an Isiah manuscript dated A.D. 900. Imagine how many generations of Father to son, tribe to tribe, those words must have traveled.

Our Savior was a Jew, however the majority of Jews have not accepted Him. Even though many Jewish believers have a zealousness for the Lord that shames Gentiles, as a nation and a group they have been blinded to Him. This will end some day. romans 11:25 says, I do not want yyou to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved.

The nation of Israel has experienced a partial blindness toward Jesus Christ. Jews are still waiting for their Messiah to come. However, after all of the believers are removed by the rapture, God's special focus and blessing will shift back to Israel. During the Millennial era the Jews will turn to Christ en masse. Spirit-filled Jewish evangelist's will evangelize the whole world in seven years, a task their nation has not been able to accomplish in the past 2 thousand years.

Israel was extablished as a nation in 1948, and established Jersulem as their land in 1967, and never will be conquered again. The remnant is the left over Jews that were not persecuted throughout the centuries. The remnant is coming back to Israel by the thousands. Jerruslem is the city of God. When you see Russia, and Iran come to conquer Jersulem, get ready because we are going in a twinkling of an eyelash to meet the King of Kings, Lord of Lords. Praise God.

May God bless, golfjack

Zathrus · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:55 am Post subject:

golfjack, my question was not why are they Jews, my question is why unbelievers? Your teaching of the end times has God imparting special blessings on people apart from Jesus Christ, based on their lineage. That strikes me as somewhat contrary to the gospel. There are any number of scriptures that plainly say there is no difference between Jew and Gentile, and the 1st century Jews were not to think they had some special claim to salvation simply because Abraham was their father.
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Zathrus · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:01 am Post subject:

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In the Apostle Paul's first letter to the Church at Thessalonica, he told them that before the Rapture would occur an event would take place that would leave no doubt of the impending Rapture. He told them to watch for "the dead in Christ to rise first"!

I Thes. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

This is an event that will mimic an event that took place at the time of Jesus' resurrection and is recorded in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 27, and verses 52& 53.

Matt 27:52,53 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which were dead arose,

27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Known dead people will be brought back to life in a 'spiritual' body and appear to living people in Jerusalem. That is the Gospel account of what happened the first time, and it is what Paul is empathically explaining to watch for this time.

Additionally the Gospel records, that after Jesus raised from the dead He remained on earth for 40 days and then He ascended into heaven. Paul is explaining that this is the same sequence of events that will take place at the time of the Rapture of the Church. He is demonstrating that the Ascension of Jesus into heaven is indisputably linked as a foreshadow to the Rapture of the Church. And, because the Church is called the Body of Christ this is said to be the 'Body of Christ' going up into heaven in both instances.

Paul is also saying that from the time the 'dead in Christ' raise from the dead this time, they will stay on earth for 40 days [just like their predecessors did in Matthew 27: 52,53] and then they will be Raptured along with those that are a live and waiting for the 40th day to arrive. The living are waiting for the 40th day because they knew the warning sign had taken place 40 days prior.

And lastly, Paul sets the timing for both the 'dead in Christ to rise' as well as the Rapture when he says that Jesus Christ rose from the dead on the Jewish Feast of First Fruits and ascended 40 days later. That interpolates into the 'dead in Christ' will rise this time on the Jewish Feast of First Fruits and the Rapture of the Church will happen 40 days later. And all that comes together to say that the WARNING SIGN for the Rapture of the Church is the 'dead in Christ' rising on First Fruits! a spring time feast.

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Zathrus · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:28 am Post subject: